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Groups Push To Restore Mandatory Behind-the-Wheel Hours For Student Truck Drivers

by Jana Ritter - Published: 1/02/2017

While trucking remains at the top of the US job market outlook for 2017, several groups are pushing to increase behind-the-wheel training requirements for new truck drivers to be allowed on public roads. On December 21, four groups including the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety the Truck Safety Coalition and Citizens for Reliable and Safe Highways petitioned the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration to reconsider provisions of the Final Rule for Entry-Level Driver requirements, which the agency issued on December 7th, 2016.

                                                              Groups want mandatory behind-the-wheel hours for student truck drivers

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The FCMSA had initially included in its proposed rule last March, that student drivers receive a minimum of 10 hours of training on a “driving range” as well as an unspecified amount of time driving on a public road. However, the final rule issued in December requires no behind-the-wheel standard for student drivers and instead defers to skills tests administered by state licensing agencies. The petitioners state that the Final Rule leaves the determination of whether a student driver has the skill set required to operate safely on public roadways - entirely in the hands of the instructor.  They argue that not only is this dangerous to public safety, it's also insulting to experienced truck drivers who have dedicated years to practicing safety in the profession.

“It’s absurd that the required amount of hours behind the wheel training is zero,” says Todd Spencer, executive vice president of OOIDA. “Hairdressers and barbers have a minimum. Pilots have a minimum. It’s totally insulting to professional truckers that have dedicated their lives to driving safely and sharing the highways with others.”

The petitioners stress the importance of ensuring students get sufficient hours operating a commercial vehicle on public roads with an experienced instructor to encounter real-life safety critical situations. “This type of real-world training and experience that CDL candidates need, and that several bodies of experts have determined should be required, in order to enhance the ability of CDL applicants to operate a truck-trailer combination vehicle safely and to avoid crashes,” they stated in the petition. “Instead, the Final Rule does nothing more than ensure that future CDL candidates will acquire only the most rudimentary skill set needed to pass the most basic of maneuvering tests, as has always been the case, while depriving both future CDL applicants, and the traveling public of, developing better trained, more skilled novice CMV drivers.”

                                                             real life training for student truck drivers

They also raised a number of additional points to support their argument, including the following:

The petitioners have requested a stay of the effective date of the 2016 Final Rule until the Administrator can render a decision on this Petition for Reconsideration.


William Seifert
William Seifert
The so called training in my industry has been a joke for decades. This is nothing new. These large fleets crank out kamakazis and put rhem in a class 8 truck like its no big deal. Treat them like cattle pay them shit wages and cry about driver shortage...FUCK OFF.....
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
Well thirty years ago, my boss throw a book at me and say when you have read that take truck 54 and the stretch deck trailer, and go get your license, so I did. So now tell me how good the the training has been. Yes I'm still driving today.
William Seifert
William Seifert
I learned much the same 40 years ago. However much has changed the commercial truck volume has exponentially exploded. My first few years on the road we're much less crowded . You could park at a truckstop. The trailers were smaller . The DOT wasnt as bad. Being ten minutes late wasnt a capitol crime and english was prominatly spoken....
Noelen Lewis
Noelen Lewis
Shit I read the dam book and drove down in my dads truck for the test. Was in North Dakota hauling oil three weeks later making $100k at 22. These big trucking companies dont give a shit about anyone
Mike England
Mike England
Nobody's happy, bitch about being over regulated in one conversation and not enough regulations in another. BITCH BITCH BITCH. I've been driving since 93 and I went through Schneider, 3 months of training before I went solo. In all the time I've been on the road I've learned two facts about trucking, you can only drive one truck at a time and don't worry about things you can't control. it all comes down to personal responsibility. Some have it and some don't
Kevin Richardson
Kevin Richardson
I learned my greatest training from Schneider but also had a great T.E. as well. That's a plus one who gives a crap.
Michael Ruff
Michael Ruff
Damn right.
Dan Guise
Dan Guise
put the regs where they belong on the training mills (schools) and mega carriers that do the training
John Hanks
John Hanks
Some people will cry because the sun came up. Some think they have all the answers. I just enjoy reading these posts.
Shari Hartley
Shari Hartley
Obviously truck drivers are bitches.
Hessling Kelvin
Hessling Kelvin
Shari Hartley You would be hungry, walking and living in a ditch if it wasn't for truckers. Pretty stupid post on your part don't you think...
Tim Campbell
Tim Campbell
Shari Hartley And what prey tell is your profession????
Christine Gibbons
Christine Gibbons
U say that half the drivers that are out out here a month or so, can't even drive a stick shift, and they think they know more as much or more than a driver that's been out here more than 10+ yrs or more! I see them on their phones with their feet up on the dash! Wtf! Take responsibility! We all have common sense! Or so they say! It is the drivers responsibility alone! This is an honor to do this job! It is also a huge responsibility! We drive an 80,000 lb weapon! When was it ever OK to ride someone's ass, let alone try to run your fellow drivers off the road! Responsibility falls on those who choose this life, use your brain!
Kirk Righetti
Kirk Righetti
Honestly I think the majority of trucking schools are a joke. Most truck company ran schools need to be shut down. And only DOT cerified schools train. The school has to be longer than 1 month, at least 6 months of school with a few weeks of driving...yes it's a lot of training, but have you seen the green horns...I mean why even put them through class or even a cdl...just let them roam the highways like they did with their personal licenses. So sad
Amber Gibbs
Amber Gibbs
6 months of school would be pointless, and too expensive for most. The purpose of truck driving school is to train people to qualify for a CDL. After that, students need good, responsible, real world, on the road training in a variety of situations that can't be provided locally by a school. The majority of the lessons drivers need to learn can only be taught on the job by an experienced driver.
Kirk Righetti
Kirk Righetti
Amber Gibbs so let me get this straight 6 months of commercial driving school is pointless and to expensive. Do you drive, second there is a lot to learn in driving a semi truck. The industry leaves this to on the job training. Which means you partner up with a driver trainer. Most corporate c ompanies allow drivers that have a minimum of 6 months driving experience to become trainers. I need to ask...do you drive a semi?
Lisa Marie Thomas
Lisa Marie Thomas
I have to agree with Amber on this one. Sorry
Kirk Righetti
Kirk Righetti
Lisa Marie Thomas yea if you don't drive you probably would.
Kirk Righetti
Kirk Righetti
Lisa Marie Thomas but when a semi kills one of ur family members all truckers get nailed.for.it. but yea no worries...n9 need to train new drivers right.
Dickie A Denton II
Dickie A Denton II
Kirk Righetti I drive and there is not six months of book knowledge in a CDL book. The problem is we have stupid idiots with no comprehension skills and the inability to read a fucking book and take the basic knowledge and apply it to the road. the schools that are around my area are required to have a DOT certified trainer and the trainer MUST have a CDL. Maybe you should do your homework before you start posting dumb shit that doesn't make any sense
Heather Barr
Heather Barr
A 6 month school would be cost prohibitive. When you figure what it cost for a few weeks of school now then multiply that times 10? No one could afford that.
David Noy
David Noy
the teamsters offer a 6 month course here but they also offer a one day and a 3 day course which most ppl either have to be an apprentice to go through or pay for it out of pocket pretty much all the companies aunt willing to pay to put u through since it's fairly expensive
David Noy
David Noy
the 3 day school is about 3500 and I think the 6 month is somewhere around 8k that they offer here
Tim Siedschlag
Tim Siedschlag
Kirk Righetti I agree with you. When I first went over the road commercially, I ran team 3 years, yes 3 years. The reason? Insurance. The insurance industry back in 1979 was so tight with regulations you weren't allowed in the seat unless you were 21, and a perfect record. Did I enjoy running team. No. Did I earn my dues yes. This was a coveted industry where only the best of the best were allowed in. That is why the safety ratings were so high back then. The other thing, speed. It took 4 days to go Midwest to New Jersey, and eight days to go New York to California. I remember over 3/4 of all roads were 2 lane when I started. So coupled with 2 lane driving, small engines, and lower speed limits it took longer to get this job completed. Did we complain? No, it was our job, you just did it. I remember working for $800/month flat wages and thought I was rich. Then we went to cents/mile. As a team we split 12 cents in 1981. That started the push to make miles. You trucked, day and night. Logbooks were scandal sheets. We all ran two, some of us three, to cover the miles. In order to pick or drop on schedule. It was hard work, but we had a comradeship between each other. We helped each other always with loading and unloading our trucks. If you broke down, three other trucks would stop and help usually before you had the parking brake set. And we partied together on layovers to blow steam over boredom. We cooked together on the backs of our trucks to save money. Those new to the industry we mentored. We helped the Slavic, Mexican, and Cuban drivers to learn english. Why, so we ciuld talk to one another. There was no race wars, ww were all family. The good law officers that knew us and watched our back, we watched their backs. The bad officers we let each other know where they were and what they were up to. There was no race.We were all family. We bled diesel, farted exhaust fumes. We were the professional drivers of America!
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
To all the drivers that are requesting longer school training periods, why aren't you out training these new drivers?
Kirk Righetti
Kirk Righetti
Victor Collins I have trained...found out that majority of people fresh out of schools can't drive worth shit...and when u are training a driver it's to do the job not teach them how to drive a damn truck...so schools are not long long enough...
Dan Pillarella
Dan Pillarella
The school's get a fat check of like ten grand for each driver that graduates.Look at CRST they recruit MF from jail soup kitchens ect.They flunk every knowledge test and physical test and there they are behind the wheel.Without a fucking clue
Michael Warnock
Michael Warnock
I've been driving 18 years and when I started I took a one month course then did 10,000 miles with a company trainer. The only accident I've been involved in a truck was someone else ran a red light. 18 years ago it cost me $4,000 for one month, that would be $24,000 for 6. I think maybe what they need is an IQ test, not more school.
Phil Killerlain
Phil Killerlain
I laugh till it hurts reading some of the comments especially the they gave me the keys and said go ! Maybe a farm application of driving may have done that ! But most all companies even in the 60s required you have experience enough to make who ever was the head driver happy ! And most OTR was Team from Tom Inman to FFE and the original Willis Shaw & Balinitine out of AR ! Then there was Sam Tanksley or Shirley Temple as we called them on the old white face Johnson's bought at Sears and Roebuck ! If you don't know who Trash can or Pie or the original blue eyed Indian or Red Ball then tell you B S stories to someone who might believe them ! AND EVEN BACK THEN MOST REQUIRED YOU TO RUN AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AS SECOND DRIVER ! BEFORE THEY WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT TURNING YOU LOSE !
Tim Siedschlag
Tim Siedschlag
Oh wow you bring back memories!
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
So small of thinking, take your information about the farm application and apply it to the oil fields. There was NO such thing as second seat, you either made it or you didn't. So take your history lesson to some who have the ability to see how much bigger the industry was then you appear to have.
Phil Killerlain
Phil Killerlain
Victor Collins I drive for Squaw transit in the delivering oil rigs so as I said ! You had to be able to drive and they would let you move stuff around on the back roads and fields ! So you still had to prove your abilties to drive to someone or your were related and they taught you ! So I still say you are full of BS !
Tom Gillies
Tom Gillies
You forgot country wide, Schaffer Coast to Coast, Coretta, continental Carrier corporate, a few more that used to crank out drivers.
Phil Killerlain
Phil Killerlain
Your right Tom and spell check got my last as it should have said DROVE for Squaw they haven't been around since the 80s ! But my whole point to Victor was !!! You are not born with the knowledge to drive a truck ( or even a car ) but he and others get on here and they will get on the CB or at the truck stop restaurant ( the few left that have them ) and tell those truck driver TALES that I have heard every since I was a kid ridding with my dad or a friend of mines dad that thought me and Bob where free labor to move furniture LOL , but I read a book and took off driving ?
Phil Killerlain
Phil Killerlain
Your right Tom and spell check got my last as it should have said DROVE for Squaw they haven't been around since the 80s ! But my whole point to Victor was !!! You are not born with the knowledge to drive a truck ( or even a car ) but he and others get on here and they will get on the CB or at the truck stop restaurant ( the few left that have them ) and tell those truck driver TALES that I have heard every since I was a kid ridding with my dad or a friend of mines dad that thought me and Bob where free labor to move furniture LOL , but I read a book and took off driving ?
Eric Lauster
Eric Lauster
The federal govt is absolutely to blame for these companies running training mills. They are paying them top dollar per student and these companies are churning them out as fast as possible(more $$$). It's a racket, pure and simple. I'd say more but I've got eyes on me.
Ricky Godwin
Ricky Godwin
Well I've read all the comments and I'm amazed at all of you. I'm a trainer at a TEC College and our program last 5 weeks,per DOT requirement !!! To put it in plain truth we are there to teach them to pass the test that DOT wants! I've driven for over 40 yrs and I really enjoy teaching young people the chance at having a new career. Most companies require 4 to 6 more weeks. So I ask you who is the blame? How many of you take the time to help a new driver when you see them struggling,how many of you are trainers or would Like to come to our school and teach? I'm really ashamed of you guys,at least they are trying,give them credit! The DOT and companies are at fault more than anyone,and you for not encouraging a new driver to take he's/her time a go slowly!! Please don't put all schools into the gutter,some are pretty good!!
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
This is one comment that puts all these so called professional drivers to shame. If a driver can not take the time to help someone else, that driver isn't a driver at all.
Gail Ann Travis
Gail Ann Travis
I have been driving trucks for over 30 years. I will help all rookies (young and old, or in between). I can even give names. Those guys will always be grateful for the non condescending help.
Patrick Wayne Mcevers
Patrick Wayne Mcevers
I don't think they were including all schools. You added your schools name into the mix yourself. And yes I'm all for experience helping inexperienced. But there's two faults with that concept. First I've noticed that a lot of times when trying to help someone they let it in one ear and out the other. Which brings me to the second thing. You can't blame a new kid for not wanting to listen to someone because most likely I'm sure quite a few times in the past he received advice from an idiot that thought he knew everything and didn't know anything. So it's a slippery slope that has to be walked. I don't agree with your comment
Patrick Wayne Mcevers
Patrick Wayne Mcevers
Oops hit post. About farm training. I got my cdl when it was a class 5 while working on a farm. Moved up to hauling cattle. Have ran flat beds refers and dry vans. Never went to a school. ( honestly ) hauling cattle now. Never had an accident and nothing on my license period at this point. ( couple tickets in the past but that's common ). It's not always the training that being provided but the trainee that gets provided the opportunity to train. Not everyone is cut out to do everything. They need to weed out the immature self absorbed fly by nighters like they do with any other Profession. A man can me trained to fly an airplane but I promise you let the FAA catch him playing on his radio and they're gone do a evaluation of his maturity and then release him. We on a day to day basis have the opportunity to impact more lives by a mistake then a pilot does in a year of flying. Let a doctor walk into the ER looking , smelling and talking like most drivers do in the public presence and they won't be operating that day I'm sure.
Tommy Parlier
Tommy Parlier
The company I work for push for O/O. I have seen drivers come in the yard and not even be able to back into a parking space. They drive their on truck. And we wonder about massive wrecks in weather.
Patrick Cercone
Patrick Cercone
Five minutes signing lease paperwork does not make you an owner operator. All that is is a pay scale restructure to make you feel good about yourself.
Dickie A Denton II
Dickie A Denton II
Y'all stupid motherfuckers want to cry about how people are trained?!?! Well from my experience knowledge base for any professional job is not ever perfected and the only true training is hands-on and years of experience. Training 20 and 30 years ago was way worse than it is today. Book college and testing is to get the basics down. It's not the way people are given book knowledge and test it's the idiots trying to learn the basic knowledge and testing so stop your whining and fuck off
Bud Richie
Bud Richie
These new age Company ran training facilities teach drivers how to operate automatic trucks. They work for a couple years, get experienced, then move to a company that has simple 9 or 10 speeds, and can't drive a 4 spd car!!!!! Driver training should be 3 months of classroom time, and minimal, 1 year with a trainer. If they can make it through a year with a 20-25 year experienced driver. Then, and only then, should they be put out on there own. I figure in a years time, they'd be put to the test in all driving conditions, and the help of a 20-25 year veteran of the road. They've learned what Trucking is about.
Denis Ryle
Denis Ryle
There is a lot of truth in what you all say but start at the top the secretary of State they control who gets there license after 30 years of driving I retired and was teaching at our community college and we were very good we kept the recruiters for the shit carries away from our classes the good students got jobs the bad did not pass at SOS the state regulate the schools and colleges but remember with truck lines like Maverick were all trucks are automatics does not help shifting got rid of the bad ones plus money is tight classes smaller it's always been dangerous out there
Dar Delorme
Dar Delorme
Hell the people teaching I found out doesn't even have enough time under their belt to be teaching. In this being said these companys need to be shut down to have a so called driving schools. I been doing this 44 years an every day out there on the road I'm learning for when you don't learn something out here then you need to quit.
Jim Williams
Jim Williams
When i started driving the big companies wanted you to be at least 30 years of age and five years experience. I got on a small union co at 25. I was lucky. Only had a few years experience only driving semis. Then drove doubles for 29 years and back to semis for two years.
David Hackney
David Hackney
Went to school for a month,spent 5 weeks with a trainer, then a month of team driving before I went solo,,some companies don't even do half of that. I met a trainee with another company being trained by his,trainer that had only 6 months behind the wheel, and neither one of them could back up worth a damn! I drove for over 10 years before I started training drivers. Companies like Swift, C R England and others let drivers start training after 6 months on the road, and you wonder why thier accident rates are so high?
Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones
I saw in truck driving school many years ago instructors on the running boards coaching student through final test,the guy could not drive period and for damn sure not have been given a class A.He had no business behind wheel of a truck
William Butwil
William Butwil
Ok you may run a dot driving school And you teach them how to fill out a log book and how to past the required test and try to teach them to drive and if they meet the basic requirements they are on the street. And it's a joke. They can't drive because they have no experience or were not made to run with someone to finish their training they can't back up worth a dam. Your school may be different but the people I see on the road now a days is a joke and I've been out here sense 1973. And I'll guarantee if the drivers now a days tryed to do the things they are doing now wouldn't fly back then
Eric Brogen
Eric Brogen
What was the outlook when I got my cdl. Out of 20 students in this class. 5 won't last a year, 5 more will be gone by the 5 year mark and only 2 or 3 will last 10 years. I'm on year 20, guess I'm the last of the class.
Barry Skinner
Barry Skinner
Ok with 3 million miles under my belt trainees you change lanes in the snow your trailer is comming around due to the elevation in the middle what should you have been doing 1st what do you do to correct and how long do you have to prevent the bang of 53 feet of your trailer hitting you up side your head lets see who answers right
Jason Puniak
Jason Puniak
first off ya shouldnt have been close enough to anyone to have to change lanes. second off if your trailer starts coming around ya throttle it and steer a little toward the direction the trailer is going. third...ya dont have much time at all so ve watching the mirrors
Clydene McKee
Clydene McKee
Like everything else more regulations doesnt stop the ones who break the law .The rest of them pretty much can go without regulations, and still follow the hours they need to get rested. Truckers know when they are tired, and need to stop, its stupid to tell them when they are tired, because most of the time they aren't, but law says park it. then they cant sleep or rest so its useless for them to be parked .If they can park when tired then they can sleep, pencil pushers think they have the answers, I think the ones making those laws need to drive trucks for a year, no buddy system either, long haul, then maybe the laws would be more excepted
Kate Campbell
Kate Campbell
I had a really good trainer. Some of my fellow students got into the truck with theirs, He would climb in the sleeper and tell the student to get them to Green Bay. Horrible.
Sue Domenico
Sue Domenico
I'm one of the 3 week wonders. A lot is attitude and common sense. Still a newbie to some. 6 yrs 650,000 accident free. Nothing to prove to anyone. Do my job, get the load there on time safely.
Bruce Carpenter
Bruce Carpenter
When New Jersey first came out with a CDL, to qualify you had to produce log books showing a minimum of 200 hours driving. What has changed?
Russell Didawick
Russell Didawick
I rode in the passenger seat until I was 17 years old and was showed how to do it guys now days can't back into a damn dock pathetic
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
So why don't you help teach them how to do it right? After all someone did it for you.
Russell Didawick
Russell Didawick
Victor Collins cause they don't listen the company said do it this way
Dale Kissell
Dale Kissell
I think a lot depends on the driver, I trained local on my permit for about 4 weeks then when with an otr guy for 8 days before I went on my own but I had been driving tow truck so I had the fundamentals of backing already under control and I have a little more common sense than most people. I've had a few small things bumping another trailer but nothing that has been reportable
Patrick Lucas
Patrick Lucas
I have been pretty close to getting ran off the road more in the last 5 years than ever in My 26 years of driving me left lane to pass. Over comes the truck I'm passing in the left lane on me I'm lookin right at his driver side mirror never even looks back. No turn signal to make matters. Worse. I'm running 70+ he running 63 at best
Hal Fischer
Hal Fischer
Can't believe what I'm reading. I don't care if you been accident free for 30 years. Never can have to much training. If you feel invincible you need to get out.
Donald Gough
Donald Gough
Back when I went, in in the 90s. I got screwed by the cdl rules. Already driving tractor trailer at 18. I had a Local Milk route. couldn't grandfather in because of my age. I got lucky had a great school 8 hours a day. 3hrs. in class, half hour lunch. Rest of the time was wheel time. Teachers were old school hands. Who came off road. Wanted to be home everynight. They didn't sugar coat. They were upfront, pulled no punches. They just didn't let you pass. Because you paid money. 10 week class. You didn't have basics by 4th week out you go. Schools just don't do that anymore. They were tough but fair. Wanted you to succeed. But they also knew who was meant to be trained extra. Or who was just a total loss.
George Mcclain
George Mcclain
personal experience goes a long way when training a new driver it should be mandatory schools only teach to pass the test not how to be a good driver
Ron Sherwood
Ron Sherwood
Here's what I'll contribute, and it has nothing to do with the company itself, and certainly not all drivers are alike. BUT...I had a JB truck take a corner at a truck stop in Toledo too tight, and tear my hood almost completely off. When I caught up with him, he had been driving a couple of weeks, but the trainer, THE TRAINER, had 6 months behind the wheel. 6 MONTHS. 'TRAINER'. Wtf.
Amber Gibbs
Amber Gibbs
Werner is the same. 6 months experience required to be a trainer. It should be no less than 2 years, preferably longer.
Ron Sherwood
Ron Sherwood
Amber Gibbs ...smh...AGREED.
Michael Stevens
Michael Stevens
Amber Gibbs Lots of them can't keep people for 2 yrs and a lot of experienced drivers don't wanna babysit a newbie, kind of a problem..
Carl Edward McRoberts Jr
Carl Edward McRoberts Jr
My company wants me to train.. I say no thank you. Only been doing for 2 years this coming June. I still very green. And take as much wisdom from experience drivers that I can...
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
Carl Edward McRoberts Jr, you would make a great trainer, mostly because you know you are green. One of the best things to teach right off is don't be afraid to ask.
Ronald Hill
Ronald Hill
Well am going to say this i myself went to fort Scott college diesel trucking school in my class had kids that didn't know how to double clutch or back either besides the old hand teaching them i was too already had been driving trucks learned from my father completed six weeks got a job pulling a cow wagon that will separate the men from the boys real quick been up cattle paths backed up to cattle chutes on a ninety degree angle with only one shot and proved my trainer wrong and made him look like a complete idiot and you guys complain over rookies you drivers were rookies at one time too the industry is going to shit because we are letting it there isn't any excuse other than that period
Dan Guise
Dan Guise
training is a crock of shit 2 -3 wks and your turned loose with 80,000 lbs is a joke
Lisa Marie Thomas
Lisa Marie Thomas
Where can you go with a trainer for 2-3 weeks and be turned loose with your own truck. Never have heard of any company doing that. It's usually 8 weeks with a trainer.
Dan Guise
Dan Guise
Lisa Marie Thomas well lady incase you havent heard companies like CR ENGLAND AND SWIFT have now been exempt from a licensed trainer being in passenger seat while a studen / trainie is in total control of a truck which means that trainer can now be in bed sleeping while the trainee who has only a learners permit
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
Dan Guise, guess you need to look into that exempt ruling a hell of a lot closer. Ten years ago when I signed on with one of those exempt companies, I was driving by myself the second day on the truck. My trainer was in the bunk, and yes he was a great trainer because I'm still here with one non-preventable on my CSA. In that non-preventable I actually saved at least two lives. So please before you talk out of turn, at least have your facts straight.
Dan Guise
Dan Guise
Victor Collins lol 10 yrs sgo is all the better you can go back how bout 20-25 yrs ago is when it took a shit when the cdl came into affect the due to the cdl is when the so called training schools came into affect wanna tell me more about how great they are now lets go back to 30 yrs ago when there was a group of ppl that had pride in trucking and would hel others regardless of what it was now all thats out here is a bunch of snot nosed kids with no respect and yet think they know everything but yet know nothing hell ive had my own athourity before you even where had amy time behind a whee fuck ive owned trucks longer than 10 yrs ypu have no clue whst it was like 25-30 yrs ago
Dan Guise
Dan Guise
Victor Collins oh and btw to us veterans of the road there is a unwritten code among us we never brag abour our accident record or anything of the such just one more way some of can tell your are nothing more than a wanna be
Jim Williams
Jim Williams
All I can say is Iam glad Iam not out there amongst ya.
Monty Pieper
Monty Pieper
Retrain all the collage educated want to be truck drivers they can't drive for shit...
Mike Barnes
Mike Barnes
I agree 40 years 4 1/2. Million miles i fell. The more training a driver gets the better prepared they will be
James Carletto
James Carletto
Yeah but a trainer should have at least 10 yrs behind the wheel not 5 months
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
Why?
Laird James G McCreight
Laird James G McCreight
Nearly 90% of the training programs DO NOT teach log classes.
John Laprade
John Laprade
The truck drivers don't need training driver's education needs to educate the new drivers of the Danger of tailgating not using a blinker improper lane change and just cutting off of a truck
Joey Land
Joey Land
Been saying this for years. Actions speak louder than words.
Marvin Barnhill
Marvin Barnhill
its all about money not safty schools dont care or company's
David Noy
David Noy
my training consisted of riding bitch one time at my first driving job then took the wheel for one day just doing local stuff then from there he kicked me loose on my own been learning as I go ever since
David L. Adams
David L. Adams
Damn right it is, the should have five years of training
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
What type of training would consist of five years? I've been at it for 30+ and I'm still learning every day. So how did you come up with the five years?
Barry Skinner
Barry Skinner
If you have any years real time these are the ones you watch out for as well as rv's and rent a trucks real time experience is the only way to stay safe and alive
James P Davis
James P Davis
38.5 to 45 hr ant shit been driving 35 years and still learning things new cant get enought training
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
Agreed
Patricia A Funk
Patricia A Funk
Yet the industry wants 18 year-olds in with cheap hours of training
Victor Collins
Victor Collins
If an 18 year old can die for this country, why can't an 18 year old drive in this country?
Larry Hasenfratz
Larry Hasenfratz
More training less wrecks !
Scott Stanard
Scott Stanard
Train my ass,Mike England said it all.
Michael Ruff
Michael Ruff
These petitioners are right
Justin Hoke
Justin Hoke
Good luck
Joe Hickey
Joe Hickey
Blah blah blah
Paula Killebrew
Paula Killebrew
wow! I think experience is the only way we really learn.
Shirley Dale High
Shirley Dale High
It's scary for sure.
David Condon
David Condon
YesereeBob Definitely long overdue
Chris Currie
Chris Currie
Too little too late as usual
Larry Underdal
Larry Underdal
I say.Fuck it.Swift forever.lol
Ray Curc
Ray Curc
BLIND LEADING THE BLIND ! SMFH !
Andrew Gohsman
Andrew Gohsman
Minimal training time is 5 weeks after truck school
Tom Stewart
Tom Stewart
You can't teach a cow to fly.
Mike Blachford
Mike Blachford
Exactly
Wes Scruggs
Wes Scruggs
I say BS!
Dagan Boothe
Dagan Boothe
No doubt.