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Smaller Firms Say E-Logs Will Drive Them Out of Business and Violate Personal Privacy

by Jana Ritter - Published: 10/14/2016

There has been much controversy in the trucking industry regarding the mandated switch to electronic logs by late December 2017 and while many truck drivers already foresee the difficulty it will impose on doing their job, smaller trucking companies say the new system will simply drive them out of business. Independent operators say it's a complete violation of personal privacy.

                                                                Elogs will kill small trucking firms

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The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initially implemented the regulation saying it would help protect the safety of both truck drivers and motorists by preventing exhausted truckers from driving. The FMSCA forecasts the move will save 26 lives per year and prevent 562 injuries, and also protect truck drivers from companies who pressure them to drive longer hours or even fudge their logs. The FMCSA also released a cost-benefit analysis and estimated the new system would cost trucking companies $1.8 billion to implement it, but reasoned that fewer crashes and less paperwork would ultimately save $3 billion.

However, many industry experts argue that whatever savings the FMSCA predicts, the smaller firms and independent owner operators are not only going to be harder hit by the cost of the switch, they will also take a productivity hit and have more difficulty paying off their trucks (which have doubled in price since 2000.) In fact, a trucking industry survey conducted in early 2016 of mainly small operators found that 84 percent still don’t operate with electronic logs and some say in addition to avoiding the cost of the switch, paper logs allow these companies to fudge the books to help boost their bottom line. There is also the argument that small to mid-size trucking firms will need to employ more drivers to haul the same amount of freight in order to make it.

“Some of the smaller companies are just not going to survive the change to electronic logs,” said Dan Clark, head of BMO Transportation Finance. Most of the bigger trucking companies such as Schneider National, Swift Transportation, etc. have been using electronic logs for years and they do admit that the new logs reduce their drivers’ miles on the road. Cutting down driver miles means all companies face higher spending for additional drivers to haul freight and we can only predict that it will lead to higher consumer prices unless companies find ways to get more productivity out of their trucks.

“This will be the single biggest thing to hit our industry since deregulation in 1980, which reduced government controls on trucking rates and routes,” says Chris Lofgren, CEO of Schneider National. However, the benefit of having more company drivers has allowed these bigger firms to offer more flexible schedules and can cater to those who want weekends at home and to those who want longer routes paying more money.

According to the FMCSA, the new rule will affect nearly 3.4 million drivers. But before it officially kicks in at the end of next year, independent truck driver associations are trying to put on the brakes and challenging it in court for violating driver privacy.


Sheri Williams White
Sheri Williams White
ELOGS are made so the big companies can stay and put the small companies and owner operators out of business...forces drivers to drive during the day causing major safety issues...drivers are also made to rush to beat the clock and drive tired
Cory Bollig
Cory Bollig
I find the E-log gives me more drive time because. I'm not spending time on the paperwork. It also helps keep me from being distracted because i can just glance at my remaining time as opposed to having to think about it.
Torreon Square Watson
Torreon Square Watson
Lol you sound like a company man for real shut the hell up with that bs you telling me you can't add time and subtract from 11 and what paperwork paper logs just take 5min to fill out and how is a paper log keeping you distracted
Justin Bozek
Justin Bozek
Torreon you sound like a dumbass working harder for Less.
Daniel Kettlewell
Daniel Kettlewell
From my experience eLogs DO NOT force you to drive during the day......You just have to change your schedule to what works for you. I might do all of my driving during the day one week.....the next week drive half my hours at night. Nobody forces you to drive tired.....if you get tired stop....simple as that. If your employer has a problem with that then you should review who you are working for. You're the one in the drivers seat.
Sue Domenico
Sue Domenico
I'm on e logs I run from midnight or 1 am done by 2 or 3 pm. no problem. No time lost in traffic and no hassle at weigh starion. I also so rolling restarts. Company fits runs to my hours. Couldn't tell you what a restart is
Randall Deihl
Randall Deihl
Correct!
Erik Tobiason Goyette
Erik Tobiason Goyette
I'm on e logs I also work for a small company it has not effected me or the company my 10 hrs is up in go again some days I get 13.25 hrs of driving in almost 800 + plus miles I'm not wasting 15 mn for everything I got to log on duty for 5 mn that's it
Terry Perrott
Terry Perrott
I know company drivers that are on Elogs. They take there 10 HR & start there day. Some times its early morning or when ever. It don't force u to drive in the day.
Terry Perrott
Terry Perrott
We're allowed to drive 11 HRS, how are you getting to drive 13HRS .
Ann Riddle Bridges
Ann Riddle Bridges
Terry Perrott I was wondering the same thing!!
Jess Skoglund
Jess Skoglund
Start at midnight. Run to 1100. 10 hours is 2100. 3 more hours of running is 14. 2 half hour pretrip makes it 13 and 2 half hour breaks makes it 12. Or 12.5 if you have the first pretrip starting at 2330 before the midnight drive start. Shorten the pretrip to 15 mins each and you have 12.75 hours to drive in a 24 hour period.
Michael Purtee
Michael Purtee
Sounds like we got a lot steerikg wheel holders. Who cant drive truck, but have to be told how to drive it
Joel Cervantes
Joel Cervantes
I drive nights and im on elog
Joel Cervantes
Joel Cervantes
And im never tired because i stop for my 10 after a long drive i put in 650 to 700 a day
Harold Bell
Harold Bell
I hv eclipse log on my lap top,o/o and I love it but I put in the app. Not gov.,big difference,Justin bozel you a surely a company driver,you drive what they tell you route they tell you and you make what they let you,period,20yrs o/o,82000 mls last yr,grossed 325000,not hard,smart and earn 3times your forced dispatch slavery
Billy Hodge
Billy Hodge
Joel Cervantes I am the same way,I have no problem with elogs,it keeps the company's from running us in the ground.
Justin Bozek
Justin Bozek
The great wonderful things about e-logs. I stopped I press the button a little while later I started driving again didn't touch my logs at all. Few weeks ago dot ask to see my log books I said I run Elog he said have a nice day. Now if you are stupid enough the drive more than 11 hours more miles more miles more miles you are an idiot. Why do you think companies push their drivers for that with the continuing rising of expenses and cost of living why do you think we are not getting pay raises and why do you think they pay us by the mile and not by the hour like they do in the rest of America? Because those companies know there are enough people out there that will go the extra mile and do whatever the company wants them to do and if you get into an accident you know damn well that company is going to be kicking you out the door finding some other idiot to drive that truck and maybe it's even an immigrant to undercut your job. So why am I a truck driver? I love her we do but I do not like when companies cost me to drive 4 miles are driving conditions that I feel unsafe hurry hurry hurry kiss my ass. Was given an assignment the other night short miles live on love 12 o'clock at night no overnight parking I said no thank you dispatcher said we need you to take that load I said fine then you go deliver it. They gave me another load I was happy had my steak dinner and I went to sleep. Thank you
Lala Pare
Lala Pare
RUSHING TO BEAT THE CLOCK FOR SURE. THE DISPATCHER RUNS YOU ACCORDING TO THE CLOCK. IF THE HOURS SAY YOU CAN RUN... YOU'RE EXPECTED TO DO SO... RESTED OR NOT. YOU CAN REFUSE, BUT IT'S AN ARGUMENT AND HASSLE AND PETTY DISPATCHERS WILL PARK YOU!
Michael Mcgehee
Michael Mcgehee
yall are fuckin halarious...logs are logs...been out here 20 years...its like tht big ass chain u put ur pitt bull on...after a while he dont even notice
Justin Bozek
Justin Bozek
Lala Pare there is truth in that but then all I can say is find a better company and often the dispatchers do not like getting phone calls from the safety department. Lately these load plans have gotten ridiculous takes me two seconds to look at him go on this is stupid they keep pushing pushing pushing and of course anytime someone gets into an accident they're the first ones out the door. I give an ETA and if they don't like it they can find someone else. This job is not worth getting shut down by the Dot and even if we're good drivers you make one accident you're done. It's not worth your life. They don't pay us enough and if they want us to work harder they could come do it themselves starting with a pay raise. Yes I got all the threats from dispatch and I need to do this and I need to do that had a long talk with the safety department and even had a couple of dispatchers fired after contacting operations. Know your options know your rights
William Charles Harper
William Charles Harper
Alright then, when are shippers and receivers going to change their schedules for elogs? If I'm 45 minutes from a delivery/pickup and only have 30 minutes drive what do I do? Do i miss an appointment because of elogs? What's the point of them? Also if I'm within 3 hours of home, you can bet your ass I'm not stopping for 10 hours.
Joe Couse
Joe Couse
Elog will not work with what I do pulling a grain hopper
Justin Bozek
Justin Bozek
You don't know how many times I have called the shipper and receiver and said I'm sorry I can't make 3 a.m. and they come back at me and say we don't even have load times here? Or how many times I change the appointment times? I can't make 4 a.m. they ask what time can I be there. How about 7 a.m. and they say ok. I look at the pre-plan they want me to deliver 12 o'clock at Night Live unload with no overnight parking? That's stupid. Load refused cannot make on-time delivery not legal. So they gave me another load no big deal. If you guys drive for a company that is such a pain in the ass you can't refuse a load for a good reason then you're working for the wrong company that also includes owner operators and Lease contractors. Companies take advantage of you because you let them take advantage of you. Right now I delivered the load I really don't want night dispatch giving me some load assignment picking up tonight I'm tired I'll contact them in the morning
Justin Bozek
Justin Bozek
Joe, your argument is valid. It's best said, those that started paper hate elog and those that started elog hate paper. Another big problem is those running refer do not have the same luxuries because their freight is time sensitive often going to customers that don't work with the driver. I wont pull refer anymore. I run dry van and most customers can be worked with to reschedule appointments based on conditions. Sucks for all of us out here. I run elog because I know how to make it work for me. It's easy. Press a button and done. I hate paperwork. That's me but we have to know options that are available and make it work to our best interests. As a stupid company driver on elog, I still make more than most other drivers so do whats best for you and if youre having problems with company you drive for, find someone else. Drivers are a dime a dozen and so are the companies.
Joe Couse
Joe Couse
The problem with elog doing what I do is we sit in lines waiting to get dumped and a lot of our terminals are from 7- 3 no exception your not there by 3 you don't get dumped and we also go to a lot of state and city yards the elog just won't work for us
Daniel Goble
Daniel Goble
The FMCSA testified before the 7th Circuit Court e-logs will increase the cost of doing business putting some small carriers out of business And also they told the seventh Circuit Court they never did a cost-benefit analysis to find out if the benefit was worth the cost E-logs are a driver management tool only if they were so wonderful you wouldn't have to force small business owners to do it but they do not improve safety in fact when you look at the large ATA member bottom feeder companies that already have e-logs they have a very poor safety record when it comes to actual driving
Derek Settle
Derek Settle
Comparing Apple's to oranges though isn't it? The large companies are nearly always training companies.. So you are comparing trainees with elogs to experienced drivers that ran paper (drivers with enough experience to not be at a large company if they choose to not be).. Not really an argument for paper vs elogs as much as general safety and experience level of the two companies
Daniel Goble
Daniel Goble
The point is don't tell me that I have to run e-logs when they do not improve safety I will choose what I purchase for my truck I choose disc brakes because they improve safety i use Michelin tires because they improve safety The only reason they're trying to force these e-logs down everybody's throat is because they're not selling enough to make a profit
Shawn Cannan
Shawn Cannan
The stupid F+×KS that think these elogs will reduce acidents obviously haven't been paying attention to who is getting into all the wrecks lately over 97% of them are on elogs I've been driving for 21 years now and the main reason I have altered my log has been to insure that I can get the sleep I need and not drive tired. If they want to make the roads safer stop letting the big companies just put bodies in their trucks and make them train the new drivers better. Next start raising the fines to cars that are weaving through traffic and speeding and cutting off trucks the first time they have to pay a $1000 for speeding 1000 for unsafe lane change only this will reduce the acidents on the road ways!!!!!
Seth Linscott
Seth Linscott
Agree!
Joe Boney
Joe Boney
Well said !
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
If you have to rush to beat the clock and youre drowsy then you are not managing your time right.. Elogs are safer because they can't be manipulated as easy or as drastic as paper logs.. Ive never had a problem with them.. They are easier and help to keep companies accountable for their drivers hours of service..
Don Elson
Don Elson
What a tool
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
Lol.. Youve got a couple years left old timer.. Be safe out there
Al Reigert
Al Reigert
Brownie points won't help you here
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
Sarcasm dumbass
James Fish
James Fish
Problem with elogs, is your company attempts to manage your time.
Gerad Hudson
Gerad Hudson
Miguel Gonzalez probably a swift driver 3 weeks out of school and couldn't draw a line
Don Elson
Don Elson
With a ruler
Eddie Venatta
Eddie Venatta
On a pre-drawn line.
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
Ok funny guys.. With elogs, they just give me the delivery time and date.. Its up to me to do the managing.. Ran paper logs my first year and elogs just does it all for me.. Elogs is easier, just my opinion fuckin idiots.. I usually try to take one break and i still can hit 650+ miles.. It depends on the driver..
Robert Thurman
Robert Thurman
You wouldnt if you had to unload and reload every day. Elogs wont work for our company. We spend too much time waiting to get loaded
Ralph Steiner
Ralph Steiner
Elog drivers speed thru construction zones. I agree with the guy who said ,"if they're so good they would not need to be mandated". That's what this discussion is about.
James R Maxwell
James R Maxwell
They have nothing to do with safety. If they made you safer, then why does Werner the leader in accidents with Swift following close behind and Fed Ex ground? These electronic pieces of garbage cannot make you safer and it has been proven. Accident rates have increased since the advent of the 14 hour rule and more companies forcing Elogs on their drivers.
Red Dove
Red Dove
How are you going to manage your time If a shipper unexpectedly keeps you for 8 hours of detention time and you still have to make that 3:40 appointment or be fined 1,000. And you are on elogs. Now you only have an hour to spare on your drive time causing you to rush the whole way which wouldn't of happened on paper logs. And you're an O/O not a company driver who can just relay the load to another driver. This happens more often then you think
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
True that.. O/O on elogs would suck..
Matthew Charlton
Matthew Charlton
As a livestock hauler..... The cattlemen's association has already went to D.C. and told them beef will triple in price at the store. Still on board with e-logs? Don't know about you but I net over 100k a year and I won't buy a damn $50 steak.
John Hanks
John Hanks
Don't pay attention to the losers. They lie about everything. And the the lost sheep just blindly follow them.
Dana Regan
Dana Regan
BS..so you are saying elogs tell your body when its time to sleep or drive. Not everyone is tired after 11 hours and can sleep because computer tells them. Some days/nights i am plenty awake to drive 12-14 hours, sleep 7-8 and do it again. You can adjust with paper.
Michael Kyle
Michael Kyle
Iran paper logs most my life I did a little over a year do E logs worst year of my life with people sit behind a desk telling me when I was tired when I wasn't that computer can't do that for me they are not safe but they are not economical.
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
Weird.. Never been told that by any dispatcher.. Usually just happy to get miles out of me.. Everyone has different personal experiences i guess..smh
Mahlon Swarey
Mahlon Swarey
Miguel Gonzalez is a typical hillary supporter 🐑 sheep does whatever his elog tells him he can do cant think for himself unfortunately my generation is full of these dumbasses wish they could open their eyes and see the real picture how the government is stripping us of all our rights but i guess sheep never change needs to follow his elog Shepard baaa
Terry Perrott
Terry Perrott
I know a driver that knows how to cheet on Elogs
Robert Wellington
Robert Wellington
They can be manipulated. Lol okay
Miguel Gonzalez
Miguel Gonzalez
Yaya.. Whatever Mahlon Swarey.. Fuck hillary and fuck you to.. I just drive 🚚.. No one tells me anything .. I drive 3200+miles a week plus and i drive them within my legal boundaries.. Driving local at the end of the year to be home with my boys so fuck it..
Jeffery Longcore
Jeffery Longcore
Ralph Steiner do you know this for a fact. No offense but I run elog and I drive like I always have the speed limit I don't speed through construction zones. So that statement is false and idiotic. What you should have said was assholes speed through construction zones. Like I tell everyone who asks me about running them the only benefit to having them is when I am out of hrs I don't have some asshole trying to push me another 100 or 200 miles. With that being said I can still put down about 700 miles a day depending on the roads and traffic. There are times I will run 11 hrs and go to bed I can only sleep about 6 1/2 to 7 hrs and I'm wide awake so that forces me to fuck off for the other 3. I've had many conversations with the safety people and my last conversation ended with you can stick these logs up your ass. It's not about safety it's about tracking your equipment. They could honestly give two shits about safety but if they can track you they can write your ass a bigger fine for fucking up. Also they log by the second. My opinion on this is make it mandatory because it won't last a year and it will be over turned. I spend a minimum of an hr at a shipper and up to 6 hrs at a receiver off loading. The only way to avoid logging it is making those places by the end of your previous night and most don't allow on site parking so more times than not I can loose up to 6 hrs in a day that fucks your whole trip up. So all in all the can shove Elogs right up their political asses.
Ralph Steiner
Ralph Steiner
Well Jeffrey, I don't know you. Funny you think you know what I should have said. Oh, and for being out of hours, I know companies that rework the elogs in the office n force the driver to run more hours. My statement still stands. Look at the message in it. "Elogs put pressure on drivers to behave in unsafe manners" whether it be driving side by side with other trucks for 10+ miles because "we're gonna run out of time" or "speeding thru construction zones". Where I run mostly is the 62 mph straight thru the 50 speed limit construction zone then tailgating cars if anyone is going slower than them.
Charlie Johnson
Charlie Johnson
Pretty soon, we won't have to worry about it...The goat humpers are getting into the business, and they'll take anything,anywhere,and know they can't complain about it. Don't believe me? Start reading, if you can, some of the name's on the side of the trucks....and look at what is driving them... Straight out of Bombs R Us.com
Travis Heikes
Travis Heikes
I have never ran elog and I don't like it one bit. I have over 2million miles under my belt and believe I my self know when I'm tired better then a computer. That being said I believe a bigger issue is the 14 hour rule as well as driver training. We have been over whelmed with unqualified drivers. Also not being allowed to stop and take a nap when you need to without effecting your work clock is absolutely a ridiculous idea. Sometimes people get tired and need a break and shouldn't be penalized for that.
Rick E. Smith
Rick E. Smith
Over time.....Companies lost trust with there drivers.....making them work on a tight schedule....Elog.... GPS....cab phones....cell phones. The poor drivers can't side track anymore and get a little poon tang.....or a few extra Zzzz ?
George G. Sheldon III
George G. Sheldon III
Actually true...
Cory Bollig
Cory Bollig
I find the E-log gives me more time because I'm not spending time on paperwork. As for sleep no one said your ten hour break can't be twelve.
Casey Bennett
Casey Bennett
That's so much bull crap. Takes no time to fill out a log sheet. GTFO here with your company fellatio garbage.
Michael Purtee
Michael Purtee
Paperlogs if u do them right takes 3-4 minutes. Sounds like u need someone telling u how and when to drive if paper work screws up ur entire day
Shaun McCaulley Trucking
Shaun McCaulley Trucking
It's sad that most of the comments come from company drivers or newbies,wow 400/450 miles a day fuck u make lots of bank roll and hav no life,just couldn't run a paper log cause probably don't know how to.
Patrick Andrews
Patrick Andrews
You be a cheater I run 700 miles a day if you run more 750 you stealing money when you get caught and go to jail then you be crying the blues
Matthew Charlton
Matthew Charlton
Stealing money? Bahaha fuck. That's making a paycheck. Try it you might just like being able to afford shit you might not be able to otherwise. Guess I'm old school but I sure like my shit. And my kids have a savings account too. Going to jail? Only if you don't know your limits and kill someone. Dumbass.
Casey Bennett
Casey Bennett
What a stupid ass you are Patdick
Gary Buchs
Gary Buchs
Shaun McCalley Trucking. I'm an owner operator I've voluntarily used an Elog for nearly 4 years IMO and experience this won't make or break anyone either you are operating a profitable business or your not. Cost is far less than what the opponents are claiming. In my case I see that it improves my business and may of my colleagues say the same. If this is about control well it gives the control back to the driver. The liability protection alone is well worth every penny.
Alex Urusciuc
Alex Urusciuc
Small Companies running on paper logs force drivers to violate HOS, I've been driving for couple companies managed by some crazy Eastern Europeans, 4000-5500 miles a week, 2-3 weeks out wo restart, I quit and I said I will never drive on papers again
James R Maxwell
James R Maxwell
You're the captain of your ship. Tell them no! If they fire you, contact Paul Taylor at the Truckers Justice Center and sue them.
Alex Urusciuc
Alex Urusciuc
thank you for advice
Jerry Shockley
Jerry Shockley
I've worked for small companies for almost 13 years. Never had elogs and never been told when to start or stop. I'm tired I sleep. If I'm not I drive. Some weeks 4000 plus miles other 2000. Bottom line you're in control not them. There's plenty of jobs out there.
Mark Paus
Mark Paus
I use e-logs and I drive when I can after a 10 hour reset or my 34 hour reset I have no problem with them. Only idiots that can cheat their paper logs are afraid they will have to become compliant with the regulations
Carl R. Pierce Jr
Carl R. Pierce Jr
Wrong dummy. Read the article. We don't want small company's and owner operators put out of business. You new school have no clue, you are brainwashed by the driving school mills.
Mark Paus
Mark Paus
I've been driving since 1987 and I have used both types of log's and have driven in vehicles that had the clock type log's behind the speedometer so I am not new school
Tony Filla
Tony Filla
Nothing to add of value to the discussion so they go for the insult instead of a reasoned argument
Mike Van Der Mallie
Mike Van Der Mallie
Yup only one that don't want elogs are those who abuse it
Carl R. Pierce Jr
Carl R. Pierce Jr
I run to Kansas 3 times a week and to Louisiana once a month. I average 400-450 miles a day. I am home weekends and 1-2 nights during the week. Why should my company that has 8 trucks spend the extra money for elogs? That's wasted money. We don't abuse our paper logs and really no way to abuse them because there are just so many loads. That's why I get upset when the new school mentality makes comments like saying we just want to abuse them. The extra cost would cut into the extras they give us like if we pass a dot inspections we get cash, sometimes we get cash just because we keep our trucks spotless on the inside.
John Hanks
John Hanks
Bullseye!
Dana Regan
Dana Regan
Ive used both. Not everyone gets tired after 11 or can sleep when computer says its time. Every day is different. On paper, if i was awake, id drive..sleep when tired..true up to fit in the one size hole the govt dictates..elog companies think that because your ten hours are up, that you are always ready to run. What if you needed more sleep because you werent tired in that stretch? You can tell them that, but in the end, every person has different limits. Its bs to say that all drivers are tired after 11 hours, just as it is to say that every driver is wide awake after a clock hits ten hours. I know 20-year drivers who can drive 7, sleep 6, drive 7, etc all week long and be fine.
Danny Bullen
Danny Bullen
Too many brainwashed people must be a Democrat
Terry Perrott
Terry Perrott
I ran on paper log for four company's. I ran 100% league never got any log violations.
Michael Purtee
Michael Purtee
Says the companys bitch.
Jeremy Winslow
Jeremy Winslow
Elogs done change the HOS, so using the computer argument just means you cheat on the comic book, that is what's forced the industry into elogs.
Mike Van Der Mallie
Mike Van Der Mallie
E logs can help protect a driver in a court of law too ..... Plus if u not rested after ten hours off then u go back to sleep . U don't have to get up after ten off
Bob Mabie
Bob Mabie
Here's a question if ELOGS are for safety then why do people with ELOGS speed through towns and construction zones? Not to mention that they park however they want in truckstops.
Todd Alan Moody
Todd Alan Moody
My thoughts too
Michael Purtee
Michael Purtee
Because they are fucking retarded. Im sick of seeing that shit. Then to have to see them tell us on fb, how safe they are.
Chris Blessett
Chris Blessett
Of course they want the small guys out of business. Don't you get it! They claim it's a safety thing yet trucks with elogs and even cameras are the ones having wrecks yet the big companies are pushing for them. It's all a scam to push the little man out. If you want elogs fine but it should be a choice and not forcing it on us. Me personally it's unconstitutional but you got to many liberal judges out there now that will go along with it. Plus truckers want stand together and defend themselves.
Delbert Caviness
Delbert Caviness
It's only pushing the old drivers out because when you are used to getting 700+ miles a day now you can't even get 400 miles a day because of traffic and big city bullcrap so instead of wasting our time with those ELB's us old drivers are getting local jobs and getting home everyday no more 3&4 weeks for us because we have better things to do with our time
Olga Yakubovsky
Olga Yakubovsky
What money u make by driving 400 miles??? As well work in fast food than Will be home every night
George G. Sheldon III
George G. Sheldon III
Here's my take and only my opinion on the eLogs since I'm very opinionated and have a big mouth... I hate the idea of being so controlled and not trusted in this industry that I need GPS tracking and on board recording devices and eLogs ETC!!! If I can't be trusted to drive your $250,000 piece of equipment between destinations maybe you hired the wrong Dude for the job. My company has started using GPS tracking mainly to track miles for fuel reporting so I don't have to write down my mileage when I cross a state line anymore... and to track PTO time for fuel tax reasons. I have been driving with the paper logs for all 22yrs I've been driving... back when we had the "8hour rule" and after we went to the "14 hr consecutive" rules... I've always found a way to "make it work" and we all know eventually there will be another "trick" because we all have to use them!! I myself have started using an app on my smart phone called the "KEEPTRUCKIN" app for wireless eLogs... and it's an acceptable alternative. Now I actually keep my logbook way more accurate and I can go back n make corrections and change things or fix things. I'm sure if anything happens they'll be able to see it was changed... well to any of you who are not running 100% compliant do you use a cell phone?? Because it's all they need to track your locations and your authenticity to your log book... I hate to say times they are changing BUT hey I never thought I'd be pumping some chemical into my truck to burn to supposedly keep the emissions cleaner... yet it'll probably one day be found to be causing cancer in truckers but we're all just guinea pigs anyway...
Donald Curtis
Donald Curtis
E logs are not about safety in the least.Its about government control.I know when I'm tired and I know when I can drive.Between midnight and five my body does not drive.Dammed electronic logs will gave me getting up at ungodly hours...No thanks
Charles Watkins
Charles Watkins
It does not protect truck drivers. That is idiotic. What would protect truck drivers is putting e logs at all grocers. Requiring 100 dollars per hour after first hour past appointment of in dock.thats protecting drivers .protecting drivers ,stop. Losing rest areas so contractors can park there equipment for road construction. Theta are many ways to "protect truck drivers . This is not one of them
William Charles Harper
William Charles Harper
Hell yeah! They aren't going to change their hours of operations for elogs and you know for a fucking fact they won't care if you're late because of elogs.
Mark Allen Hazel
Mark Allen Hazel
So i guess that it is ok to run illegal, that is whst all u cry baby's are saying right ? How do u all think it is ok to fudge ur crayon log books for ur own personal gain ? But everyone else runs legal and deals with it there is no double standard in the 11 and 14 hour rule it os supposed to be used by the letter of the law for all of us
Ron Wike
Ron Wike
It's only illegal cause the govt says so, I want govt out of my life.......out of my pocket.......straight up out of my life and fuck you if you think otherwise
Mark Allen Hazel
Mark Allen Hazel
So i guess murder is only illegal because the government says it is right . U are a special kind of stupid
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Poor Marky you couldn't handle a real truck driving job. Probably couldn't figure a paper log if you had to. You cry baby's are the one ruining the industry. After 42 years I will be getting out if they mandate them. I'll match my safety record to any of the big E log companies.
Mark Allen Hazel
Mark Allen Hazel
Dont ket the door hit u on the way out
Gary Buchs
Gary Buchs
I'm an owner operator I've voluntarily used an Elog for nearly 4 years IMO and experience this won't make or break anyone either you are operating a profitable business or your not. Cost is far less than what the opponents are claiming. In my case I see that it improves my business and many of my colleagues say the same. If this is about control well it gives the control back to the driver. The liability protection alone is well worth every penny.
Mike Van Der Mallie
Mike Van Der Mallie
I love my elogs have had them for over 6 years at two different companies at different times in my 17 years of driving .... Only people that say they are bad are those who drive illegal ....
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
What a tool you are.
Mike Van Der Mallie
Mike Van Der Mallie
Lmao that the best u got ??? Tony Sr Ahlers
Kevin Richardson
Kevin Richardson
I been on them and it works out well for me. That's my position on them. Does away with paperwork and oftentimes Dot will not go through it. Takes to much time compared to paperwork to nab. It's saves my ass because its linked to dispatch and they can see how many hrs etc,and knows they can't push me. However on paper they can't so they can push at time's. Many will gripe but we are in the digital age and thing's change with job's, wether it's our industry or other's.
Jeff Wiuff
Jeff Wiuff
Interesting news! I wish my former company would've done just like the Swift, US Xpress, JB Hunt and other Trucking Companies got the highest pays with Elog. I been complaining not getting enough high income. So, I decided work another Trucking Company! I just got in not to long ago! It got better pays. But except O/O concern for unable to make the payments to pay off. But if the freight broker need to make better freight rate. It would be nice fix it the freight rates. I know there was a lot more issue to get that better changes. Everyone want to protect theirs violates privacy without losing their Trucking Companies business. As long the truckers keep it update. Their was a lot responsibility handle their Trucking Business.
Vic Klugh
Vic Klugh
Are you telling me we live in a " free country " and you are dictating my every move telling me how long I can work, when I have too take a break and how long I have sleep AKA stay in a cage or otherwise known as the sleeper were is the freedom
Scott Larson
Scott Larson
I think the government and office jockeys should stay the hell out of the way and let us do what we're paid to do. Get shit from here to there. Self governance!! But that's fine. When they industry dies, we're all screwed anyway.
Kory Jantz
Kory Jantz
Everybody always talks about HOS but what about the money. I use paper logs and the reason I don't want elogs is not being able to make enough money to survive. I can't afford a 35 percent cut to my paycheck.
Tom Becker
Tom Becker
As a company driver, I make an average of 10 grand more per year. It makes me more efficient, no time to hang out at truck stops or anyplace else. I just manage my day well, and Elogs make it easier, plus paper or elogs, same rules apply. It should make no difference l.
Kory Jantz
Kory Jantz
Do you get paid to sit at a shipper or receiver for hours on end? Cause that's where I see the biggest problem is at. I'm an owner operator. Only time I sit in truck stops is for my reset.
Tom Becker
Tom Becker
I do get paid detention. But my productivity suffers when a customer holds me up, so usually we give them 2 hours and sometimes just go and get our day moving again.
Kory Jantz
Kory Jantz
Must be nice. I'm looking to get a local run within the next year or get out of trucking completely.
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tom Becker you tools and your idea that we have to manage our time better. I have been out here 42 years and if you have never had your plan screwed up I'll kiss your ass on Main Street. You school boys buy into all the B S they sold you in truck driving school.
Kory Jantz
Kory Jantz
My truck driving school was watching for years growing up and then it get in the truck and don't hit anything.
Greg Petti
Greg Petti
Fuck elogs and the big companies, its the owner operator who does most of the work. Big companies charge ridiculous prices to the customers, while the o-o does what he has to do to put food on the table and pay the bills. Companies like swift and etc will be out of business, because their drivers are to inexperienced. Look at the crashes everyday. Owner operator till im done.
Dale Ax
Dale Ax
Been running elogs for two years don't have any problems with them. Can still work 80 hrs a week (Alaska) could actually do close to 100 hrs if i only did 34off and no more. It's not a time issue but you can't be waiting on loads.
Stan Snyder
Stan Snyder
I was thinking E LOGS and safety and the way I got it figured it will deploy driver full body airbags and have a rescue helicopter on stand bye and put out a magical radar laser beam to help brain activity of 4 wheelers to make them drive smarter hell how can you go wrong with E LOGS
Shane Carothers
Shane Carothers
About time E-Logs are mandated! Maybe now it will help reduce these "Super Truckers" from running illegal? One can still run 3,000+ miles a week on them. It helps keep everyone safe by reducing the pressure from a Company on the Driver to get a load there when they are to tired. Companies will finally have to learn to Dispatch a Driver properly.
James May
James May
It simple elogs are more dangerous. The elogs force a driver to drive in rush hour traffic, in bad conditions, in times when before you could take a split to get out of the traffic, now you are required to drive into it. Dumbest thing ever to happen to trucking. It will prove in the long run to cost yet more lives and more money.
Tony Morrow
Tony Morrow
I've already done the math. It will cut my production by 35% to 40%. And i won't be spending 10 hours off 30 minutes from my house on a Friday night. Count on it.
Mike Matevich
Mike Matevich
I don't mind ELDs, the way I look at it if you need to be on paper to make money you are working for the wrong company.
Danny Mcclain
Danny Mcclain
Seems to me that 11hrs 14hrs 10hrs is the same whether its paper or electronic don't agree on a mandate but if everyone is required then maybe things will change on ship/rec side
Bailey Holliday
Bailey Holliday
E logs has us in clusters on the highway....n u know what happens in clusters.....pile ups......we can't plan traffic....n traffic is no place for a truck if things get out of hand....a truck has to have a way out.....n if its in a cluster there's no good outcome....
Shane Carothers
Shane Carothers
All these Driver talking about being on paper logs and not being told when to drive and sleep. This tells me, you guys are the main reason why there's a mandate coming? You all are pretty much openly stating you cheat on your Logs, to drive when you want. SMH.
Jody Valvo
Jody Valvo
Until shippers and receivers value drivers time onsite you will have drivers that violate their logs. It starts with education of how the drivers time to "work" per day is explained.
Tom Becker
Tom Becker
Drivers can control wait times better with Elogs. Just tell the customer you don't have the hours to sit around, they will either load you or have you reschedule, and they can be charged for the wait time.
Thomas Jensen
Thomas Jensen
The most unsafe thing that the DOT has done in years. When your getting passed in the construction zone look at that sticker on the side of the truck passing you, Driver Equiped with Electronic Logging Device. I take there picture now and record there speed with my radar gun.
Eric Lauster
Eric Lauster
Of course it will out smaller operations out of business. The big fleets have lobbyists paying off the crooks in DC for legislation like this. They want it all.
Ron Wike
Ron Wike
I don't need no electronic fucking babysitter watching everything you do, just wait till all trucks have cameras watching you in your truck, that's the next mandate
Matthew Charlton
Matthew Charlton
How many of you commenting actually own your own equipment? Because all of you for this e-logs crap must be company driven or rookies that think a 500$ check is good. E-logs are the government telling you what to do and watching everything you do. All the tree hugging sumbitches in D.C. can kiss my redneck ass. It'll never happen. Fuck them. Along with the speed limiter garbage. I run a steady 70 mph. And I get where I need to be in a timely fashion. Government is trying to take our lively hood.
Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas
The real reason the DOT/FMCSA keep coming up with things like this is so they can justify their budget. If they have to enforce/oversee things like this they can justify asking congress for more money. That is what all of this is about. Nothing else. They want to keep getting more money.
Bailey Holliday
Bailey Holliday
To much technology is gonna ruin everything rather its truckingor whatever.....you will see....just like to much safety is a hazard
Greg Griggs
Greg Griggs
I could care less just because I'm on Texas exemption 15hours on duty 12 hours drive time 8 hour break and I don't feel like working g more hours then that. Want put me out of work I promise you that
Jason Lingefelt
Jason Lingefelt
Elogs are a joke it's not about safety because I steady see them big companies on Elogs having wrecks everyday it's just about money and the government wanting to be in control plain and simple
James R Maxwell
James R Maxwell
They make you soooo much safer. Werner and Swift top the accident charts and both have been on Elogs longer than anyone else.
Phil Killerlain
Phil Killerlain
The cost of putting them to a lot of smaller companies is one of the biggest problems ! That and the monthly fees ! Which a lot are LOW BALLING the prices right now ! BUT IF OOIDA DOESN'T WIN THE LAWSUIT AND THEY ARE MANDATORY WATCH THE PRICE FOR MONTHLY MONITORING GO THROUGH THE ROOF !
Jerry Reed
Jerry Reed
U can thank the Big Companies for this affirmative action..great in simulation not in real driving conditions...
Brad Christianson
Brad Christianson
So what happens your 45 minutes from home and outta hours , u take ur 10 hour break and go home. ?? 27 yrs accident free u can keep ur elogs I'll never have one
Tom Becker
Tom Becker
Yup. It is the same on paper.
Brad Christianson
Brad Christianson
Ya u bet Fri afternoon and your 45minutes fr home after 2 weeks out And u are gonna take another break . Please that's a bold.faced lie and u know it
Tammi Kelley
Tammi Kelley
They are causing wrecks..' An there's not enough parking for them.
Eddie Venatta
Eddie Venatta
Elog and speed limiters have 1 purpose. To get rid of O/O and small companies. Have seen companies go on about you having plenty of hours looking at your log.
Cory Bollig
Cory Bollig
I find that E-logs help keep companies from overworking drivers. Not sure about the owner operator issues.
Cory Bollig
Cory Bollig
I've been over worked and under paid on paper logs. I find E-logs actually protect drivers.
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Did you get a big raise with your e log?
Cory Bollig
Cory Bollig
No just used and abused less.
Scott Rhinehart
Scott Rhinehart
Its the beginning of the end, eld's will quickly end small companies
Lala Pare
Lala Pare
RUSHING TO BEAT THE CLOCK FOR SURE. THE DISPATCHER RUNS YOU ACCORDING TO THE CLOCK. IF THE HOURS SAY YOU CAN RUN... YOU'RE EXPECTED TO DO SO... RESTED OR NOT. YOU CAN REFUSE, BUT IT'S AN ARGUMENT AND HASSLE AND PETTY DISPATCHERS WILL PARK YOU!
James Fish
James Fish
Also what the companies don't mention, is limiting their trucks to such low speeds, also impacts the miles their driver can make
James Fish
James Fish
And there is nothing stopping a company from editing your elogs, to give you more hours, so you can keep driving. It's happened to me before
Gerad Hudson
Gerad Hudson
Going to get loaded with a appointment time and set for ever and then out of time want ever work
Victoria Cannan
Victoria Cannan
The people who come up with some of these rules and logs need to spend some time in the truckers seat to make realistic choices. I'm not a trucker but I have an idea of what they deal with and I have a little common sense.
Doug Foremaster
Doug Foremaster
The government is just trying to run everybody out of business
Joel Cervantes
Joel Cervantes
Elogs are awesome i had never seen one till i started using one last month i wont go back to paper logs
Raymond Yoder
Raymond Yoder
That's a load of bs. I am a one truck operation and I have no issues using elogs and still making money. Don't haul cheap freight
Glen Pearson
Glen Pearson
That's the whole idea! They want to remove smaller companies and track and get kickback from the larger ones!
Stephen Christensen
Stephen Christensen
ELOGS should be the choice of the Carrier terry same as any other Cost saving measure.
Rob Smith
Rob Smith
I say ill keep driving my 1999 9 car Pete in 149 mile radius's. I prefer no log book!!!
Brad Donovan
Brad Donovan
Yes e logs saves you time. I can fuel in 7 minutes and drop in 5 but Their is no safety reason for them.
Brad Donovan
Brad Donovan
I have been on both I am on paper now. My company gives me time. I will never go back to e logs. This is why I am buying a older truck.
Charles Yordy
Charles Yordy
Sounds like a lot of crying because people can't cheat on there logs. How many accidents have been caused by people cheating on paper logs?
Michael Purtee
Michael Purtee
Ask swift
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Oh fuck a Prime driver talking safety. I see plenty of your junk in the ditch. I just seen a few months ago where one of your trucks killed a man making an illegal u turn. Slow in the way junk.
Charles Yordy
Charles Yordy
Tony Sr Ahlers your going to have bad drivers in any major trucking company that doesn't mean they are all bad.
Jeff Pederson
Jeff Pederson
I would like to know why do we need them? What will it prove safty wise?
Stewart Mitchell Fisher
Stewart Mitchell Fisher
Duh ...I've been saying that all along! Freight cost will go up therefore the products will go up ...not the drivers pay will still be in the shitter!
John Koinzan
John Koinzan
I have been on elogs for over 3 years and have had no problems.
Rusty Hodges
Rusty Hodges
I say it's designed to put the little man out.. why do you think the cut rate mega carriers have pushed and supported it from the beginning? ....
Rex Podgorski
Rex Podgorski
Yes I see the smaller companies are going to have trouble it's these big companies with 15 16000 drivers that are pushing for it because all they hire is a bunch of hacks I think it's a bunch of b*******
Joe Eads
Joe Eads
e logs is bad the government needs to stay out of the truckin industry it needs to go back 20 years it was the best leave it up to the government to fuck it all up what ass holes
DV Smooth
DV Smooth
There is no right to privacy in commercial transport. That's why the DOT can stop us whenever they feel like it.
Thomas Jensen
Thomas Jensen
Getting paid by the mile and running by the clock, makes perfect sense to me.
Jeremy Winslow
Jeremy Winslow
Elogs does not change the HOS so any argument dealing with it is invalud... the only argument is the excessive cost that is forced on the drivers and companies.
William Seifert
William Seifert
Small companies are screwed
Hal Stapp
Hal Stapp
Not, all them bitch drivers on elog are.
Hal Stapp
Hal Stapp
Trucking going to shit. Just like the shape this country's inn.
Jason Marygold
Jason Marygold
I sure as fuck will not be putting one in my truck
Polly Thompson
Polly Thompson
Who Cares -I'm Quitting !!
Ronald Lefever
Ronald Lefever
It does not force drivers to drive during the day
Hal Stapp
Hal Stapp
not legal yet
Mandy Brown
Mandy Brown
They are a joke.
Nicholas Brewer
Nicholas Brewer
It will force a rise in demand due to the decrease in supply (time). Production will slow when factories can't ship fast enough to keep up with what factories are producing. Prices in the entire economy will rise due to the exploiting of the high demand vs. Low (slow) ability to transport. Rates will (should) skyrocket due to the increase in price further backing my theory in increased costs economically. Our paychecks should reflect a higher rate with fewer miles driven or a "same avg. Pay for less work" day-to-day. I seriously doubt that we would make bigger checks with increased prices unless you are o/o or office worker at a carrier. Our pay will increase sure, but again...fewer miles driven so there's the equality or evening out of wages. The country will burn less fuel so the demand (price) lowering of fuel may curb the economic inflation. In any case there will definitely be a lot of adjustments caused by this extreme change!
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
How will we burn less fuel? They will have to increase the number of trucks on the road to get the same amount of freight hauled.
Nicholas Brewer
Nicholas Brewer
Assuming that's an option then I would be wrong, and you right but easier said than done...they would just be diluting the wage pool...I don't know about you but I don't like being out here for less than 1000/week but if it just becomes acceptable to make 500 or less a week so they can keep rates down then I'll be off the road soon after cuz I don't want to live off that. But let's say your theory is easier said than done...then just based off my theory alone we would burn less fuel simply due to running governed, and less miles too. Fuel efficiency would suck due to more idling also.
Kate Campbell
Kate Campbell
I like them AND I hate them.
Bruce Adcock
Bruce Adcock
Put small company's out of business
Janice Miller
Janice Miller
I know some of both sides. MY brother drove for a private opeerator and realized he had driven many miles with no memory because he had been driving too long. He quit and went to work for a big company and retiredi with a clean driving record.
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Bull shit. Sounds like he was a woos
Mike Nejedlo
Mike Nejedlo
F eilogs!
Cary Fugitt
Cary Fugitt
Been driving for 21 years. Did paper for 16 and elogs for 5. Everyone I know who switches to elogs has the same reaction. They howl and cry about them for the first month, and then after that wonder how they ever did paper logs in the first place. I also have far better sleep now with elogs, because I'm not having to stop and nap to let my paper logs catch up. And elogs are the great equalizer. No more taking runs you won't have time to make. If a load is only 30 minutes away, but I only got 22 minutes on my clock, I'm telling dispatch I'm not taking it, and there's nothing they can force you to do.
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Oh wow and sit around and not make money. That sounds like every truck drivers dream. Lazy people love e logs. Go to McDonalds and flip burgers. Leave truckin to us professionals!
Derek Settle
Derek Settle
E-logs are not the problem.. People having issues running legal with the HOS laws.. They are only enforcing that you do what you claimed you done, and are where you say you are in the 14 logbooks hidden in the sleeper.. No cheating.. Personally I like them.. No issues out of the Qualcomm system.. The jj Keller system has it's issues.. But all and all no complaints
Mark Hazen
Mark Hazen
It promotes recklessness.
Mike Saunders
Mike Saunders
2 words. "BIG BROTHER"!!!
Jorge G. Morales
Jorge G. Morales
I say fuck that shit!
Agustin Aldape
Agustin Aldape
If a driver dont like them dont work for a company that uses them .eventually something will happen. ah 1 of the benefits of being independent and looking for a pre 99 model, for December 2019 when the 2 year introduction period ends .
Betty Winters Martinez
Betty Winters Martinez
Heck No
Glenn Paul Hurley
Glenn Paul Hurley
I won't drive if I am forced to use this crap.
Ivan Machmueller
Ivan Machmueller
It's govt over reach and bullshit
Neil Westerlund
Neil Westerlund
I have a plan to be done in 5 years
Michael Driver
Michael Driver
ELOGS, just like Driver-Facing cameras, NEVER "protect" a driver. They are management tools, pure and simple. This is like saying clearance lights "protect" drivers.. The FMCSA still can't find the original "justification" for this "safety" requirement imposed on the 1930's.
Angel Rosado
Angel Rosado

Fifth Wheel Freight
Fifth Wheel Freight
We run on elogs. Been running on elogs for 6 years. Everyone is so up in arms about elogs. I've seen comments that companies who run on elogs have the most accidents. Hmmmm...that has nothing to do with the elogs. That has everything to do with the driver. And those "big" companies are governed. Why would you want to maintain more paper? Why would you want to waste time waiting for 15 mins. Oh wait, but many of you alter your logs. So scratch that question. You do realize that as a truck driver you are holding a Public Trust position right? That is the reason why they have drivers go through background checks. Therefore, Big Brother is gonna be watching you. I mean, would you want someone who falsify logs to get more miles in? And according to the FMCSA and crash data....truck accidents have remained steady or have reduced over the years. What I'd like to see the government do is regulate the pricing of freight. I understand it's a free market. However, a lot of the issues stem from the fact that the freight rates are not where they should be. If they were on target, many drivers wouldn't be having to worry about whether or not they'll be able to pay this month's bills. Or how many MORE miles they have to drive. I would also like for them not to limit truck speed. Limiting truck speed will definitely be a detriment to the industry. It's bad enough in CA where the speed limits differ greatly causing clusters of traffic that could be avoided. IJS...pick your battles, carefully. Because you're not gonna win them all.
Kris Carter
Kris Carter
Between the intrusive elogs, cpap machine mandated compliance, speed limiters, bullshit dot and company policies..... who the Hell wants to be subjugated like this? I'd rather be called a lazy man.
Jim Van Houtan
Jim Van Houtan
I love e logs James
James R Maxwell
James R Maxwell
They suck, along with the 14 hour rule actually 13.5 due to the idiotic 30 minute rule.
Randall Riggins
Randall Riggins
Put out of business and violates privacy
Spencer Aldrich
Spencer Aldrich
Fuck logs let's go haul cows forget about this bull shit
Ronald Lefever
Ronald Lefever
How many of you drivers get a call from your dispatch and they tell you that you have be some where today and you know you can't make it legally. With Elogs this won't happen
Earle Denny
Earle Denny
These things will kill small companies . Period.
Mike Bice
Mike Bice
truckers need to go on strike again
Bailey Holliday
Bailey Holliday
Both
Kolya Oleksyn
Kolya Oleksyn
It is bull****
Jerid Cozart
Jerid Cozart
I love how elogs mean dispatchers can hit you up as soon as you have hours
Lala Pare
Lala Pare
PAPER OVER E-LOGS... PRIME EXAMPLE. STARTED OUT WITH FULL 11 AND 14. BURNED 30 MINS GETTING TO SHIPPER PLUS 15 MINS FOR PRE-TRIP. DROP AND HOOK NOT READY. TOOK AN HOUR AND 10 MINS TO FIND OUT THAT. EVEN THOUGH 55 OF THAT LISTED IN SLEEPER, 14 HOUR CLOCK STILL TICKING. NOWHERE TO PARK ON SITE AND SIDE STREET PACKED WITH OTHERS WAITING. SOOO...! BURNED 11 MINS DRIVING 1.2 MILES TO TRUCK STOP (TRAFFIC AND CONSTRUCTION). 6 HOURS AND 31 MINS INTO 8 HOUR BREAK IN THE SLEEPER, GET THE CALL THAT LOAD IS READY. JUST HOOK UP AND COME PICK UP BILLS. 11 SITTING AROUND 10 HOURS 13 MINS OR SO AND 14 AROUND 5 HOURS AND SOME CHANGE. BURNED 11 MINS DRIVING 1.2 MILES GETTING BACK AND LOST THE TIME TOWARDS THE 8 HOUR BREAK IN THE SLEEPER. NO BIGGIE, IT'S ONLY A 3 AND A HALF HOUR RUN. HA! THERE WAS MORE TO PUT ON THE TRAILER AND NO LIE... IT TOOK OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET THE BILLS... ONE PERSON CHECKING DRIVERS IN AND OUT. LOOKING AT A BALLS TO THE WALLS RUN NOT BECAUSE I HAVE NO DRIVING TIME OR POOR PLANNING ON MY PART! HAD I BEEN ON PAPER LOGS... I WOULD NOT HAVE PINGED MYSELF FOR EITHER DRIVE TIME TO OR FROM THE TRUCK STOP AND I WOULD HAVE GOT IN A 10 HOUR BREAK REPLENISHING BOTH 11 AND 14! E-LOGS MAKE NO SENSE. REGULATE OUR DRIVE TIME, RIGHT... THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE, THE BIG SCARY TRUCKS, ARE ON THE ROAD, RIGHT? OK. STOP PENALIZING US FOR GOING INTO THE SLEEPER BERTH! THAT 14 SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO RUN WHEN WE'RE IN THE SLEEPER BERTH! MOST OF US ARE ACTUALLY SLEEPING BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE NOT ALERT ENOUGH OR JUST TOO TIRED TO DRIVE! THAT'S A GOOD THING, LAW MAKERS! THAT TICKING 14 FORCES DRIVERS TO DRIVE FATIGUED AND SOMETIMES FLAT OUT ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL BECAUSE WE KNOW WHEN WE WAKE UP, WE'VE LOST THOSE HOURS BECAUSE THE 14 HAS RUN DOWN WHILE THE 11 IS SITTING THERE WITH PLENTY TIME! FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM... THE 14 NOW TRUMPS THE 11. AN ALTERNATIVE SINCE THE POWERS THAT BE ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT OUR TIME DRIVING... HOW ABOUT LIMITING US TO 650 MILES A DAY! NO FRIGGIN' CLOCKS! FIRST OF ALL... CHEATERS WILL CHEAT! NO MATTER WHAT'S IN PLACE. I MEAN... JUST BECAUSE WE LOG 10 HOURS IN THE SLEEPER... HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW IF WE'VE REALLY SLEPT OR BETTER YET... "RESTED"? SO THAT PART IS A WASTE AND UNVERIFIABLE. IF WE CAN ONLY DRIVE 650 MILES, THE SMARTY PANTS CAN FIGURE A WAY TO SEE HOW LONG WE WERE AT A CUSTOMER, OUR ROUTE, AVERAGE SPEED UP TO ANY GIVEN POINT. BOOOOOO TO THE E-LOGS. ANY WAY... I GOT TO THE RECEIVER WITH ZILCH ON THE 14, BUT OVER 6 AND A HALF ON THE 11 AFTER DRIVING FASTER THAN I PREFER (62) AND MUCH FRUSTRATION OVER THE BIG TRUCKS ROLLING IN FRONT OF ME AT 58, 65 IN A 70 AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE 4-WHEELER DOING, I KID YOU NOT... 37 IN A 65!
Neil Westerlund
Neil Westerlund
IT WILL MAKE SHIPPERS AND RECEIVERS ACCOUNTABLE. NO MORE BULLSHIT. MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!!
Casey Bennett
Casey Bennett
Never happen. Big company just come in and drop a trailer. Repower it when needed. O/O is fucked. That was the plan all along.
Neil Westerlund
Neil Westerlund
That's right. Big companies have been doing it a long time. We still have to make them accountable for time and money. Put in your contract or broker agreement. I don't know the answer for sure but you have to start somewhere and it should have been done a long time ago. But we are always giving up something to try and get more. Doesn't work
Benjamin Fifield
Benjamin Fifield
Off subject but Neil who manufacturers your boat, been thinking about trying out one of my motors in a boat and see if its something i like
Neil Westerlund
Neil Westerlund
That was a hondo. I don't have it now. Just didn't change pic
Theophylis Colbert
Theophylis Colbert
The scales are linking up state to state paper loggers
Tony Sr Ahlers
Tony Sr Ahlers
That's why they build roads around scales.
Theophylis Colbert
Theophylis Colbert
Lol
Elvir Cikaric
Elvir Cikaric
Zlatan Kordic